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Brooke Horejsi of UtahPresents<\/p><\/div>\n

For loveDANCEmore’s August digest, editor Samuel Hanson sat down with Brooke Horejsi, Assistant Dean in the University of Utah\u2019s College of Fine Arts and Executive Director of UtahPresents. They discussed the subtleties of dance presenting, the future of the arts in Utah, and UtahPresent\u2019s upcoming season.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

Samuel Hanson for loveDANCEmore: Everyone I talk to in the dance community is so excited about UtahPresents bringing Ann Carlson\u2019s Doggie Hamlet<\/em>.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Brooke Horejsi: Me too! It was many years in the making, many years getting to a place where I felt like we could do it and have five people show up. We\u2019ll see how we do!<\/p>\n

I\u2019ll bring some friends. It\u2019s so much work for you to find the sheep and the location \u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ann does really interesting work, but one thing she also does is stay focused on how as an independent choreographer and art maker she needs to build relationships. Even though she does have an agent, she doesn\u2019t leave it to them to do that work. So, after I arrived here, it didn\u2019t take her long to say, “Oh, I\u2019ve heard there\u2019s this new thing happening.” Immediately she started talking with me about Doggie Hamlet<\/em>. UtahPresents was so new at the time \u2014 I was thinking, this is the kind of work we\u2019ll get to, but we\u2019re not there yet.<\/p>\n

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An image of Ann Carlson\u2019s “Doggie Hamlet,” courtesy of UtahPresents<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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So, what was the first season you put together like?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Oh, that\u2019s going to test me. I started in the middle of a season and when I was recruited I was told that the next season was already booked. Turns out it wasn\u2019t.<\/p>\n

So, when I got here there was nothing and it was so late in the typical planning cycle, that my first season was honestly just me calling in favors. We worked with a company called Step Afrika, which is a dance company based in the stepping tradition that came out of African American fraternal organizations. They do a lot of community impact work and so that was an easy one for me to program quickly that helped demonstrate to people: this is how it\u2019s going to be different.<\/p>\n

I think the challenge previously was that [my predecessors] didn\u2019t have a very clear sense of mission, or consistent support from the university. I think it was sort of a chicken-egg conversation. The university wasn\u2019t going to support something that wasn\u2019t clear about what its mission was and how it could relate to a large, flagship campus. At the same time, the organization couldn\u2019t get clear about what its purpose was until it got more support from the university.<\/p>\n

Over the years we\u2019ve grown pretty intentionally. Some of it is who\u2019s available when and how much do they cost. Some of it is who\u2019s our partner and what do they need? But a fair amount is looking across multiple seasons to say, what are we not doing? Where are the gaps? Who are we continuing to serve on a yearly basis? Last year, we had Complexions Contemporary Ballet, because we hadn\u2019t presented a ballet company in a couple of years. It is difficult to present large ballet companies like that because there is a lot of expense and the risk, but also, as has happened with Complexions, there can also be a lot of reward. It was a week of impactful intersections, both on campus and off, and the audience was so energized to see such a stunning company with such diverse dancers.<\/p>\n

Do you think now that you\u2019ve been here for a while there are local opportunities to this place that you\u2019ll be able to exploit?<\/strong><\/p>\n

The huge opportunity that still exists here is that Salt Lake is in this phase of maturation that can be likened to the mid- to late- teenage years. It\u2019s starting to really discover stuff \u2014 to keep the metaphor going \u2014 independent of its parents.<\/p>\n

I think contemporary art of all forms has a window of opportunity here that may not exist to the same extent in other cities because Salt Lake has had this slower maturation because of the dominant cultural background.<\/p>\n

The isolation of this valley protected us, but also kept a lot out. So, yes, I think there\u2019s a ton of opportunity here. Take something as simple as cirque. Cirque is really a genre that\u2019s coming back into its own. Certain companies are starting to explore it more as a form of dance\/movement rather than as a form of popular entertainment. So that\u2019s a great opportunity for us to introduce people to companies that aren\u2019t the commercial, more corporate structured, Cirque du Soleil.<\/p>\n

I don\u2019t know that world at all!\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Cirque has moved beyond its origins in circus and vaudeville. A lot of the performers now are crosstrained in dance and they are introducing a new framework for the shows. There\u2019s certainly spectacle to it, but the scale of the spectacle has become more flexible. More narrative is being introduced instead of the Vaudeville format of \u201cOh, look at this trick \u2026\u201d It\u2019s really developed in Canada and in Australia and New Zealand, geographic hotbeds for contemporary circus.<\/p>\n

I also think there\u2019s a lot of opportunity around the interesting people who are choosing to live here. Whether they\u2019re people who grew up here, went away and came back, or people like [my colleague] Liz [Ivkovich] and I who have transplanted here. There are really interesting artistic conversations happening. We are trying to think of how UtahPresents fits into the evolution of the resources here, not just in terms of importing people from other places to show their work but to support work that happens here. Working with local folks or organizations is a little trickier because we have to think carefully about if we\u2019re presenting a local artists work, what about it makes it the right, unique fit to be included on our season? Why would UtahPresents program it instead of it being done independently?<\/p>\n

What are the conversations emerging here now that interest you?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Personally, I\u2019m passionate about representation. I have a big stage \u2014 Kingsbury \u2014 people know it for many different reasons. I\u2019m trying to create the same awareness around UtahPresents, whether the show happens at Kingsbury or not, and I\u2019m particularly passionate about making sure that when you look at our season you\u2019re not seeing all the same people or styles or one dominant narrative. What you\u2019re seeing is a little bit of everything. So, we\u2019re always having conversations around \u201cwhere is the gap?\u201d For example, as of right now, we haven\u2019t presented indigenous artists. We\u2019re working on filling in that space.<\/p>\n

I think it\u2019s easy for anyone to say, \u201cOh, that\u2019s not a good fit for our community,\u201d \u2014 or \u201cIt\u2019s too big of a risk.\u201d But one of the things that\u2019s interesting about Salt Lake City is that the people here are not necessarily who you\u2019d expect, if you\u2019re really willing to see who is here.<\/p>\n

What are the other spaces you use besides Kingsbury?<\/strong><\/p>\n

We always do some things in Libby Gardener. We actually don\u2019t have as much this season outside of Kingsbury as we\u2019ve had in the past. It sort of ebbs and flows based on the artists and availability and things like that. We\u2019ve used the Marriott Center for Dance. We\u2019ve been at the Huntsman Cancer Institute, we\u2019ve been at the Leo, there\u2019s an event space on top of the Law Building. We actually looked at the Masonic Temple this year for We Shall Overcome,<\/em> but ultimately the stage needed to be bigger.<\/p>\n

One of the challenges, and anyone working in performance in Salt Lake will know this, is that we have very few choices when it comes to the mid-sized performance space.<\/p>\n

That was what was so disappointing to many about the Eccles Theatre. But maybe it takes some of the pressure of you to present musicals …<\/strong><\/p>\n

When I got here everyone wanted me to rail against it, because the Broadway content left Kingsbury. But those shows were rentals and the commercial content didn\u2019t serve our mission, so it opened up our calendar and staffing for more of the kinds of work we are passionate about bringing in service to our community.<\/p>\n

The Eccles does what it does for the commercial marketplace. Government buildings \u2014 the Eccles is a government owned space \u2014 play out the same way in every market. Cities are not in the business of risk, that\u2019s not their job. So that evolved the same way it has in other cities.<\/p>\n

My hope is that the city, the county, or the state can recognize that there\u2019s still a whole community of artists here who have a need that\u2019s larger than a single building.<\/p>\n

Like you said, there are so many interesting people here, I just don\u2019t think there are clear paths for them, at least in dance.<\/strong><\/p>\n

I think that\u2019s probably true of theater as well. Dance is the language I love to sit and listen to. Theater is the language that I speak. I look at this theater marketplace and I think, this is ridiculous. We\u2019re a population of this size, and we have this long history of the arts being supported. Why don\u2019t we have more theater companies? We don\u2019t have theater companies that are making work for specific voices. We don’t have an African American theater company or an indigenous theater \u2014<\/p>\n

There was an African American company called People Productions. Years ago, I saw them do David Mamet\u2019s play Race <\/em>at the old City Library.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes, but I think it\u2019s gone now. So, what is it about this place that kept this mushrooming of a discipline from happening? I don\u2019t have an answer to that question. Like you said, there need to be incentives for artists to create work here without always having to do it on their own.<\/p>\n

I feel like ten years ago, everyone with ambition who was between twenty-five and forty would leave. I don\u2019t think that\u2019s true anymore, but people still need landmarks or big opportunities to work toward.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Once you step into the midsection of your life, when you\u2019re trying to start a family or dealing with your aging parents, the limitations around making work can be more about time than money. So, if you don\u2019t develop the habit in your younger years, it\u2019s a lot harder in your middle years.<\/p>\n

Everywhere I\u2019ve lived has this challenge. And there are places that seem to have grown more resources so artists have more paths to making work, making a living and not having to leave. The Twin Cities, for example \u2014 the difference between the first time I lived there and the last time (right before I came here) \u2014 it\u2019s wholly different. I think Salt Lake\u2019s in a place where that can be a part of the future if<\/em> people stick around, and invest.<\/p>\n

How do we get music and dance audiences together? I think of artists like Holland Andrews, who\u2019s such a fabulous musician and now works so much in dance. Someone ought to do a concert or a series highlighting the musicians who work with dancers here. Nora Price and Emily Snow, Stephen Valdean, Wachira Waigwa-Stone, Tristan Moore, etcetera …<\/strong><\/p>\n

We supported SALT Dance\u2019s The Bridge<\/em> last year. And that was very much an effort to step over into the music world. They collaborated on the project with Fictionist, a band from Provo that got some national attention. And the hope was all of the Fictionist fans would come. One of the band members was deeply involved with this collaboration with SALT. They had done a workshop of it in Provo and they couldn\u2019t get enough seats so many people came out. So, they took that to mean they needed a bigger space for the finished version here in Salt Lake. And they, well, they didn\u2019t\u2026<\/p>\n

I think one of the challenges was honestly the geography of it.<\/p>\n

Some of it\u2019s just comfort zone. When you\u2019re working in contemporary art, you\u2019re asking people to take a risk, not only with the artist, because they might not know the name, but to take a risk with who else might be in the audience. And, the first couple of times, for the average person, that can be much more intimidating than we remember it being.<\/p>\n

I call it the \u201cPop\u201d test. I call my dad \u201cPop.\u201d I come from a very blue-collar world, my dad worked in a prison, my mom worked in a hospital setting, nobody played an instrument. I took dance classes when I was young because ballet was what you did with a girl, but neither of my parents were artistic.<\/p>\n

They weren\u2019t expecting that you\u2019d become an arts presenter.<\/strong><\/p>\n

No, and they don\u2019t understand. They have zero idea of what I do. But a lot of times when I look at work, I apply the Pop test.<\/p>\n

What would your dad think of it?<\/strong><\/p>\n

What would my pop think of this experience? And you know, he\u2019s a super affable guy, he\u2019s willing to go to anything, but he also has skepticism. He\u2019ll go with me, and sit through it, but at the end of it he might say, \u201cWhat the hell was that shit?\u201d and he can be absolutely right to ask!<\/p>\n

The funny thing is that the pop character sometimes will look at you and say \u201cCan you explain this?\u201d Often you can\u2019t. You\u2019ve gone because you\u2019re used to being baffled and you actually relish it, and other people assume that there\u2019s some kind of code\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n

There is no code.<\/p>\n

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AXIS Dance, courtesy of UtahPresents<\/p><\/div>\n

Especially with dance.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

That\u2019s actually why I love dance. That\u2019s why I say dance is the language I love to listen to.<\/p>\n

I have two boys, Jack and Kole, and I started taking them to see dance when they were two and three. I certainly wouldn\u2019t have taken them to see theater that wasn\u2019t for young audiences, because theater typically has a dialogue that you have to be able to follow, otherwise you\u2019re not a part of the experience. Dance is the complete opposite. Anybody can be a part of the experience.<\/p>\n

The first contemporary company they saw was ARENA DANCES, out of the Twin Cities. Somebody I knew came up to me afterward and said, \u201cDid your boys get it?\u201d And I said, well, yes, I\u2019m sure they did. It\u2019s whatever they made of it. Do they know the code? No! There is no code.<\/p>\n

There is a spectrum. As a multidisciplinary presenter who works in service to a community, our job is to not live in one point on that spectrum all the time. We have something on the more challenging end, like Doggie Hamlet<\/em>, and then we also have things like the Flip Fabrique,<\/em> and \u2014 I would argue \u2013 We Shall Overcome<\/em>. It\u2019s Gospel, it\u2019s built to talk about a part of our cultural history that people are really familiar with \u2026<\/p>\n

We need different places for people to drop in. We\u2019re not serving only one kind of arts patron.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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That makes sense. I\u2019ve actually never seen AXIS Dance or Guangdong. I know Guangdong only as the place where Shen Wei worked before coming to the US.<\/strong><\/p>\n

It\u2019s a good piece. It\u2019s reflective of how difficult it can be to present international work. We\u2019ve been working on bringing Guangdong for three years. The finances are such that you have to have multiple presenters that are willing to get on board and you have to have a company that has some flexibility around fees \u2014 if they don\u2019t they have to make the tour even bigger in order to meet the nut.<\/p>\n

So, you find yourself collaborating with presenters in other cities a lot?<\/strong><\/p>\n

We call that block booking. It\u2019s harder for me to do it in Utah, because there aren\u2019t a lot of presenters in Utah. We\u2019re a part of the Rocky Mountain Arts Consortia, and so that\u2019s presenters in Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Utah, Idaho and occasionally Arizona and New Mexico.<\/p>\n

Guangdong is a great example. Over the last seven or eight years I\u2019ve had a relationship with the Ministry of Culture in China. I\u2019ve been there a number of times to see work, meet artists, and grow relationships.<\/p>\n

Honestly, there\u2019s a lot of performance that is stuck in place, or only reflective of certain traditions or topics in countries where the government has control in the way that it does in China.<\/p>\n

But there can be a lot of interesting work too and Guangdong\u2019s repertoire is one of those. We got to the studio, it was hot, a number of us were getting on a flight that night and so we were crunched for time. They didn\u2019t have chairs so we just sat on the floor. I think our expectations were really low. They didn\u2019t show us the whole piece, they just showed us snippets, but every single one of us was riveted.<\/p>\n

We all stood up right away and said, \u201cThis is it! From this trip, this is the company that hasn\u2019t been to the US. We need to make this happen.\u201d But it took a couple of years.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Once we came back, Denver, Purdue and I turned to our colleagues who do dance and said, who else would do this with us? You maybe didn\u2019t see it, but trust us. That\u2019s part of what we do in the field. Can we work together to save money or efforts? Does the route make sense? If a company is in New York, and then they have a date in LA, what can we string together that makes sense?<\/p>\n

It\u2019s a lot about calendars. Right now, I\u2019m actively thinking about the next season. So often when something shows up, it\u2019s because we learned something two seasons ago or more.<\/p>\n

That\u2019s pretty fascinating. Thank you so much for sharing so much of what you do with us. Anything else you want to tell us?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I believe passionately in curiosity. It\u2019s really easy to get stuck in a pattern of what you enjoy or what you\u2019re willing to do, even those of us who are a part of the arts ecosystem. Try things you don\u2019t think are for you or get someone to come with you who doesn\u2019t think it\u2019s for them.<\/p>\n

Get your pop to come! I have a million stories about people who come to something thinking \u201cOh my God, I have no idea what this is going to be.\u201d But they fall in love with it, and they develop a relationship with that theme or that art form or the person sitting next to them. So be curious, show up, try something. And I\u2019ll be at all of them, so we can talk afterward to see how that worked out for you …<\/p>\n

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Guangdong, courtesy of UtahPresents<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

This article is published in collaboration with loveDANCEmore.org<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n